I don't like where this is going

[cooky37]

ninjabear wrote: Cylon 6 used love potion 9 on Baltar 2.0 to get the secret defense plans.
It is therefore likely they want to at least try to keep some hold on him, in hopes of garnering more actionable intelligence.


Fringey, you might not like this, but bear may be right. They could have used some sort of biochemical/electrical process to make the self centered Baltar to fall in "Love" with Caprica 6. They probably didn't suspect what the side effects would be. His ability to project being one of them.
A base ship taken out with the "flu" how War of the worlds. So they don't talk about the other 5. they could be on the humans side, with a hands off policy towards humans.

Will someone shut that man up
NEVER!

[ninjabear]

Okay, now I'm curious.
Could there be the possibility of a Cylon civil war looming?
As poorly written as this show is, I don't see how they'd pull off such a feat but at least the thought of Cylon against Cylon would be something damn near creative.

I wonder who they'd get to do the work? Certainly no one on the project at this point is up to such a challenge---hell my dog's done more creative work.

[valarules (deleted)]

This weeks episode was "interesting". Of course you could have expected some friction between those who were on New Caprica and those who were on the ships when the Cylons showed up. I get the feeling that Tigh is going to O.D.

And I was wondering how long it was going to take Starbuck to get a frakking haircut (You could so tell those were extentions). She has issues from being in Cylon custody and I don't think that it was fair to take it out on her hubby (You'd think that there'd be some kind of therapist on Galactica).

Since Boomer (sorry, it's "Athena" now) is in the area where the Cylon killing beacon is doesn't that mean that she's now infected?


Look, I didn't hear any screaming or squishing sounds.

[fringey]

Another fantastic episode.

Seeing the division between those who stayed on the battlestars and those who went to New Caprica was extremely well-done and very realistic. Although Starbuck and Tigh being allies in anything was scary to view. The way Adama handled the whole problem was masterful, as any good military officer could not let this kind of thing happen.

The character development gets stronger with every episode as well. Apollo having to deal with the fact that he and Starbuck are not really friends anymore, and that he had to get back to being a good officer himself was nicely summed up with the short scene about him losing weight.

Starbuck's own personal issues were strongly dealt with in her scene where she rejected Casey. Not to mention the scenes in the O-club. But, she took the high road, having reached her personal lowest point and started climbing out.

On the other hand, Tigh just crawled deeper into a bottle. I would not be suprised to see him commit suicide.

On the other side of the coin, we see the Cylons becoming more human every week. The dissension and paranoia evidenced was so strong. The Cylon civil war many of us predicted last season appears to be looming on the horizon. Still no answer as to whether Baltar was a Cyclon or not. I don't take the fact that he came back from the basestar without the plague as evidence since he was in a sealed EV suit. I still hope he is not. I have always thought he was just a weak man who used by the Cylons.

More questions were raised, too, by the finding of the "beacon". Who put the beacon there? Was it left when the colonies first expanded out into space from Earth? If so, how did it contain a plague that would destroy Cylons, when they were'nt even created at that point? Is it just some kind of plague that coincidentally kills them that was brought from Earth, destroying the chances for the Cylons to use Earth as a home? Or was it left more recently by someone else? Is it possible that Earth has sent out manned, or unmanned missions to keep tabs on the twelve colonies and they designed the plague to keep the Cylons away? And why didn't 6 give Baltar away when she saw the picture of the beacon?

Even more interesting to me was Athena's reaction to the destruction of the Cylons at the nebula. She quoted something that sounded suspiciously like a scripture or prophesy. Was that from the colonial relgion or from the Cylon religion? Either way, this seems to have been prophesied at some point. Very interesting.

BSG just gets more thoughtful and meatier every year. Sure makes a nice change from space opera and popcorn flciks that make up so much of science fiction at the movies and in television. Those have their places, and I wouldn't give them up for anything, but a show that actually makes you think is very refreshing. That is why I just decided to ignore the naysayers and enjoy the show. They can have their opinions, but they don't have to matter to anyone who doesn't want them to.

So, Cooky, I will not be taking part in your Battle of the Battlestars thread. Anyone who wants to argue can do so. There is too much good stuff out there for me to read and watch than for me to waste time arguing with close-minded people.




Patrick
a.k.a. Fringey, The Fringe Element
"A life lived without passion is a life not lived.

[cooky37]

So True Fringey, so true on EVERYTHING. Ithink you even answered Vala's question on Athena.
I will say nothing more about the naysayer here. but it is nice to have a "Scream Room" if needed.
Maybe the other five are already here on earth and the beacon is their way to protect us

Will someone shut that man up
NEVER!

[valarules (deleted)]

I think that when Adama came into the O-club and basically told Starbuck and Tigh to shape up or ship out Starbuck realized that she had hit bottom and she could either accept what happened to her on New Caprica or she could continue with the self-distructive behavior.

When they were talking about the two pulsars it was mentioned that it was recorded from the original trek of the 13 colonies. I'm thinking that maybe that they set up the beacon with some kind of plague that attacks all organic matter, humen and Cylon alike.

This is just an observation here, but it seems that everything that is happening has been put into a prophesy one way or another.

Look, I didn't hear any screaming or squishing sounds.

[thenighthawk_PREV (deleted)]

I'm still trying to figure out why they keep saying there's other Cylons we haven't seen yet. They say there's 12 types, and we've seen 2 types of raiders, the hybrid/basestar controller, Centurions, the 7 human models we know of and of course the original Centurion as seen in the pilot episode. That makes an even 12, at least if they number them from Version 1.

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[rayman]

I have to say that was the best scene this season when Adama put Starbuck and Tigh in their place. It's amazing these people don't get Emmy nominations. We get to know a little more about the Cylons and their view of reality. If I remember correctly there are 12 human looking models which was mentioned in season 1, so I'm interested to know who these five are. I'm going to take a guess and say "The Five" broke away from the others, they don't believe in one GOD or any high powers , possibly rebels with their own agenda.

[fringey]

The other five could be an even higher form of Cylon that is closer to a godhood class. They might not talk about them the way orthodox Jews don't say the name of God? It is definitely going to be interesting to see where this goes.

Patrick
a.k.a. Fringey, The Fringe Element
"A life lived without passion is a life not lived.

[fringey]

valarules wrote: I think that when Adama came into the O-club and basically told Starbuck and Tigh to shape up or ship out Starbuck realized that she had hit bottom and she could either accept what happened to her on New Caprica or she could continue with the self-distructive behavior.

When they were talking about the two pulsars it was mentioned that it was recorded from the original trek of the 13 colonies. I'm thinking that maybe that they set up the beacon with some kind of plague that attacks all organic matter, humen and Cylon alike.

This is just an observation here, but it seems that everything that is happening has been put into a prophesy one way or another.

Look, I didn't hear any screaming or squishing sounds.

Interesting idea on the virus. But, the only reason I could see that happening is if, for some reason, the 13th colony didn't want the other twelve to be able to come back to Earth. Could our Colonials be exiled criminals originally who have rewritten history through their religion to be something else? Or, an even more intriguing notion, could the twelve colonists actually be original humanform Cylons themselves who later on built worker types like the Centurions? I think it is interesting that both the Cylons and Colnials have relgions that are seemingly very diferent, but not so when examined closely.

The Colonials have more than one god, which could be the original Cylons who created them. But, the Cylons have only one God, who could be the person who designed THEM. The relgions could have been written by the same person which is why they sound so much alike in their wording when we hear excerpts read. Interesting thought. Not probable, but not impossible in this series.

Wouldn't it be inteeresting if it turned out the Colonials have five gods? hmmmmmmm....

Patrick
a.k.a. Fringey, The Fringe Element
"A life lived without passion is a life not lived.

[ninjabear]

"...but where are the words duty, honor, loyalty, without which a warrior is nothing?" Worf
Showing off---do you mock me, sir?
Cooky I appreciate your attempts to make peace but I do not require, ask for, nor would I expect any quarter from anyone, least of all from Fringey's sort.
Dr. McCoy asked him, "Jim, what're you doing?" and Kirk replied, "I'm asking a question."
I'm of the belief that many viewers, so starved of well done, fresh sci-fi, have bought into the NBG propaganda. Thus they are so deeply invested in being right that that cannot admit to themselves, much less anyone else, that they know they're holding up a batter-fried, sugar-coated turd on a stick.
As one person who e-mailed me on this topic put it, "I refuse to succumb to peer pressure---THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!"
Oh no, I'm not the only one; but bold as I am, I stand for those too afraid or weary of personal attacks to speak here.

[cooky37]

Nice show last night. Given the choice wold you do what Helo did?
Now Baltar has two cylons in love with him. There's only one female cylon left for him to Woo. The it's on to the Guys.

Back to the other five Flesh bags, someone suggested they evolved/ ascended like the beings of in white from the Origional Series. If that happens, does that make the Cylon God Count Ibley ?

Will someone shut that man up
NEVER!

[valarules (deleted)]

Definatly raised some good ethic/moral questions.

We all knew that Baltar was a little loopy in the head to begin with and now it seems that he's left the sanity department (at least that's what it seemed to me).

So now the plot is find Earth before the Cylons do. (I just hope that if theydo find Earth the writers don't pull a 1980 and have Earth less advanced then the Colonies. If it's around at all.)

Look, I didn't hear any screaming or squishing sounds.

[fringey]

It was a very good episode. It was one that was hard to watch, though, because of the moral questions it raised. Of course, this is not the first time it has been done in a sci fi show. Both Star trek TNG and even Doctor Who raised the whole question of "Is it morally just to commit genocide to protect yourself?" The problem is, one automatically wants to say "no", but there are arguments on both sides of the coin that anyone could agree with, making this a moraly sticky issue. Of course, it wouldn't be Battlestar Galactica without the things that makes us think and question our beliefs. One of the reasons I come back week and after week.

As for Helo's actions, though, while they may, or may not, have been morally "right", this is still an act of treason. There need to be repercussions for this act for Helo.

Patrick
a.k.a. Fringey, The Fringe Element
"A life lived without passion is a life not lived.

[fringey]

Another interesting episode this week. So Cylons can dream. Cool. I know Leoben said he had had visions, but it was interesting to see an actual Cylon dream. And it was a interesting dream. It seems to foretell the end of the Cylons at the hands of the Colonials. It will be cool to see how D'Anna interprets it.

I also thought ti was great how Tigh finally came back from the edge. And Moore definitely threw us for a twist when it appears that the Colonials actually instigated the war. They never let us get too comfortable with what we believe to be the truth. I love it more and more with every episode.

Patrick
a.k.a. Fringey, The Fringe Element
"A life lived without passion is a life not lived.